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*shakes head* I should really know better than to go looking for DWCG-era fic and art - a key part of the 'genre' is the theme of everything being hunky-dori for a while, but with the knowledge that it nosedives and they hate each other and fight at the end. V_V;

And the 'best' stuff takes advantage of that to the full. For example: 'Ultimatum' is a fic that I would consider an absolute standard of this - first we have the last battle, then happier times, then back to the battle, than back to happier times and so on until I cry at the end. And then, because I am a masochist, I hunt out more and am basically useless for the rest of the day. The trailer for TBotE is another thing - it always gets me at the crescendo 'When We Were Young' bit with Guan spinning his Spear and then Wuya jumping backwards. *wibble*

Heck, even the things that end on a high note make me cry! I mean, the end of A Taste Of Irony could possibly be the worst of the lot for making me cry. At least the others only do it when I'm actually reading them, not weeks later when I'm trying to write Dashi/Wuya fluff and the line just comes up in my mind, completely unbidden.

*sigh* There are some fics that I can read without tears, thankfully. Most of muniyeka's stuff has more of an angry note than despairing.

But really, it's no wonder that the fandom seems to have so many Secret Elaborate Plans. Everyone is DOOMED without them!

(And this icon is so very appropriate. Thumbs Up! *squish* Thumbs Up! *squish* Good!Jack is just as doomed as the rest, except in the icon he's in a cycle of it.)

*grins*

Date: 2007-02-26 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadebell.livejournal.com
Is this a complaint, or merely an observation? I blame canon for putting Guan and Chase in the past to begin with. It's irresistible to put them all together as the four Dragons of the past because that way they complete the "four elements set". And though (IIRC) there's nothing in canon suggesting that Wuya was good once, there's nothing that completely disproves it either.

Re: *grins*

Date: 2007-02-26 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamerterra.livejournal.com
Observation, I think. I love it, but I hate it at the same time. It may just be that there's such thing as 'too much emotional investment' (and my horoscope was right). V_V;

For the Chase-and-Guan-in-the-past part of TAT, I reckon that in the original timeline, that wasn't the last battle. Omi's presence may have tipped the odds, meaning that the scroll can still be right for the normal timeline but TAT was right for the canon!AU.

That would also work with the 'Dashi vanished for the rest of the episode with no explanation' thing, maybe.

Re: *grins*

Date: 2007-02-26 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadebell.livejournal.com
Heh, perhaps.

And... that is an interesting thought. Perhaps Omi's backwards trip through time caused ripples that changed the timeline ever so slightly, and/or caused the timeline to split into two during that fateful period in the past - one being the original timeline where Dashi faced Wuya alone in the showdown, the other being the one where Guan and Chase were also present. Awesome! That would explain things. Yay for canon AUs! *is happy*

Except... how Guan (and alternate timeline Chase) managed to live for 1500 years, I still don't get. There's no explaining that, except perhaps with magic, and that cheapens the eternal youth soup quite a bit. -__-

Re: *grins*

Date: 2007-02-26 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamerterra.livejournal.com
There's a awful lot of fic that could be done from the canon!AUs, I reckon. *nods*

I tried a hypothesis with Why Now? (http://community.livejournal.com/xsrarepairs/8621.html) that works for Guan, but it wouldn't work at all with alt!Chase, so... *scratches head*

The trying to mirror alt!Chase with Guan just because alt!Guan replaced Chase Young was where my suspension of disbelief broke, I think. We got a reason for (or at least an explanation of) Guan turning evil, but Chase keeping the same effect despite rejecting the potion completely differently made no sense at all.

Date: 2007-03-04 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadebell.livejournal.com
Chase keeping the same effect despite rejecting the potion completely differently made no sense at all.

You've hit the nail on the head with that one, you nail-head hitter, you. Those are my sentimonies exactly. I'm kinda glad I first started writing in the fandom when canon still made sense...

Date: 2007-03-04 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamerterra.livejournal.com
Heh. When I'm trying for consistent characterisation, all of the throwaway lines of 2&3 just get thrown out of the window, along with much of the Spicer-baiting.

I mean, it used to be that a plothole was an opportunity for fic, but now there's so many that it's nigh-on impossible to fit everything together.

I blame Chase Young. *nods* If any kind of power would be even remotely useful, he has it. That includes improbable immortality.

Whine Whine Whinnneee

Date: 2007-02-27 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muniyeka.livejournal.com
Goshdarnit! I keep wanting to read TBotE because it is apparently thee most awesomest shit evah to happen in the DWCG-era, but I keep getting sidetracked with art projects and college shizz.

A Taste of Irony left me cold. Well, most of Scribbler's things leave me cold. Fics don't make me cry, only tears of laughter when its hilarious (the ramen ninja's Horrid)

Hehe, I am no good with despair.

Re: Whine Whine Whinnneee

Date: 2007-02-27 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamerterra.livejournal.com
It'll be epic-ness in a part of their lives that is generally left as flashbacks in other fics. *nod* Avi17 makes the characters really cute, too. I wouldn't call it the best DWCG-era fic, though. (OTOH, I don't know what I would call the best, so pinch of salt and all that.)

The thing I like best about 'A Taste of Irony' is the fact that if she'd stayed good she'd have kept Dashi but never met Omi again, but as she went evil she lost Dashi but did find Omi again. Lose/Lose situations - especially inevitable lose/lose situations - are complete win where I'm concerned. ^_^

Heh. I read despair stories like other people read pr0n. I am so weird. XD

Saying I'm Hungry is Far Too Simple

Date: 2007-02-27 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muniyeka.livejournal.com
I thinking it is the best DWCG-era fic because there's a lot of soft 'OMGs' goin' around.

I do, too. :B

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